Category: Defence

  • The Rebounding Illusion: Giannis Antetokounmpo the Bucks Worse on the Boards

    The Rebounding Illusion: Giannis Antetokounmpo the Bucks Worse on the Boards

    In NBA analytics, some stats cut through the hype and reveal uncomfortable truths. The “BEAST ON THE BOARDS” chart illustrates how star big men’s presence impacts their team’s rebound percentages. Players like Steven Adams (+19.1 OREB%, +18.5 TREB%) and Nikola Jokic (+3.1, +6.2) boost their squads, living up to their reputations as rebounding forces. But then there’s Giannis Antetokounmpo, with negative differentials: -3.1 OREB% and -0.2 TREB%. This isn’t a glitch—it’s a pattern that questions the “Greek Freak’s” true impact.

    Giannis posts gaudy individual numbers, averaging double-digit rebounds most seasons, but the team’s rebounding suffers when he’s on the floor. Why? It’s not just about team dynamics; it’s tied to Giannis’ evolving priorities, defensive shortcomings, and a focus on personal stats over team success. Since his 2019-20 Defensive Player of the Year (DPOY) award, his defence has declined, he’s emphasised offence, chased highlights, and padded rebounds—often at the expense of cohesive play. Let’s break it down with data and context.

    Understanding On-Off Rebound Percentages

    Before we dissect Giannis’ case, let’s clarify the stat. Rebound percentage measures the share of available rebounds a team (or player) secures while on the court. It’s more insightful than raw rebounds because it accounts for pace and opportunities—after all, a fast-paced game might have more misses, but the percentage normalizes that.

    • OREB%: The percentage of a team’s own missed shots that they rebound (offensive rebounds / (offensive rebounds + opponent’s defensive rebounds)).
    • TREB%: The overall rebound percentage, combining offensive and defensive boards.

    The “on-off differential” compares the team’s performance in these metrics when a player is on the court versus off. A positive number means the team rebounds better with the player playing; a negative means they rebound better without them.

    Data from sites like Cleaning the Glass shows this isn’t a one-off fluke for Giannis. In the 2021-22 season (which aligns closely with the chart’s numbers, showing -2.8 OREB% on-off), and other years like 2018-19 (-1.2%) and 2020-21 (-1.9%), Giannis posted negative differentials. Yet, in more recent seasons like 2023-24 (+2.6 OREB%) and 2024-25 (+1.8%), it’s flipped positive. So, what’s going on?

    Giannis’ Individual Stats: Impressive, But Inflated?

    Giannis ranks among the league’s top rebounders, but scrutiny reveals issues:

    SeasonRebounds Per Game (RPG)Total Rebound % (TRB%)Defensive Rating (DRtg)Defensive BPM (DBPM)
    2019-2013.621.4%974.1
    2020-2111.018.5%1072.8
    2021-2211.619.2%1063.5
    2022-2311.819.8%1082.7
    2023-2411.518.8%1122.4
    2024-2511.919.5%1092.5

    (Source: Basketball-Reference)

    His RPG and TRB% are solid, but notice the defensive metrics. Post-DPOY (where he posted a league-best 97 DRtg), his DRtg has worsened to 107-112, indicating more points allowed per 100 possessions. DBPM, measuring defensive impact, dropped from 4.1 to as low as 2.4. This decline correlates with negative rebound diffs, as poor defence leads to more opponent makes—and fewer rebound chances.

    The Shift: From Defensive Anchor to Offensive Focus

    Giannis won DPOY in 2019-20 as a versatile defender, using his 7-foot wingspan for help defence and rim protection. But since then, his effort has waned. Analysts note he’s prioritised offence over grinding on D. Bucks’ schemes rely on him as a free safety, but he often chases “highlight reel” plays—spectacular blocks or steals—instead of sticking to plans.

    This individualism disrupts team rebounding. Teammates “clear out” on misses, letting Giannis grab easy defensive boards to pad stats, rather than contesting collectively. A notorious 2023 incident saw him intentionally miss a shot for his own rebound to secure a triple-double, later rescinded by the NBA amid “stat-padding” backlash. Fans and media called it “shameless,” highlighting a pattern where personal milestones trump team efficiency.

    Defensive Shortcomings: Speed, Switching, and Fundamentals

    Giannis’ late start in basketball—he didn’t play organised ball until age 13 in Greece—shows in his reflexes and scheme comprehension. Unlike peers who honed instincts young, he struggles with complex switches in modern pick-and-roll defences. He’s not fast enough laterally to guard perimeter threats, often getting blown by or mispositioned. This leads to breakdowns: Opponents exploit gaps, leading to more makes and fewer Bucks rebounds.

    In high-pace lineups with Giannis, the team leaks out for transitions, but his defensive lapses mean more opponent scores—reducing OREB% opportunities. Bench units, without him, play more structured, grabbing boards at higher rates. Social media discussions echo this: “Giannis was only ever a helpside defender… not much of a rim protector.” His blocks (around 1-1.5/game post-DPOY) are flashy but don’t anchor like Gobert’s.

    Lineup and Opponent Factors: Excuses or Reality?

    Sure, roster changes matter—Brook Lopez’s injuries forced adjustments, and backups like Bobby Portis (16.5% TRB% in 2021-22) feast in non-Giannis minutes. But this masks Giannis’ issues. He faces starters, but his declining DBPM suggests he’s not elevating the unit. Bucks’ overall TREB% (50-52%) is average, but negatives persist because Giannis’ style—offence-first, stat-chasing—trades team rebounding for personal glory.

    He’s in his prime physically but coasting defensively.

    Time for Accountability

    Giannis’ negative on-off rebound diffs aren’t a paradox—they’re a symptom of prioritising offence, highlights, and stats over defence and team play. His late basketball start hampers reflexes in schemes, and rebound “padding” inflates numbers while hurting the Bucks. Milwaukee won in 2021 despite this, but as defences evolve, Giannis must recommit defensively. In 2025-26, under Doc Rivers, watch if he adapts—or if the illusion crumbles further.

  • Giannis’ defence is just getting worse EVERY year

    Giannis’ defence is just getting worse EVERY year

    In 2020, he was named the NBA Defensive Player of the Year (DPOY), anchoring the Milwaukee Bucks’ league-leading defence. However, recent discussions among fans and analysts suggest his defensive prowess may have waned. So let’s take it from the start of the downfall:

    The Peak: Giannis’ 2019-20 Defensive Dominance

    In the 2019-20 season, Giannis was a defensive juggernaut, earning the DPOY award and a spot on the All-Defensive First Team. Let’s establish his baseline with key metrics from that season, sourced from Basketball-Reference, NBA.com, and ESPN:

    • Defensive Rating (DRtg): 96.5, the lowest among players with at least 15 minutes per game, per Second Spectrum data.
    • Defensive Box Plus/Minus (DBPM): 3.2, leading the league, indicating an elite defensive impact.
    • Opponent Field Goal Percentage (Opp FG%): Held opponents to 36.3% shooting as the closest defender (minimum 525 attempts), the lowest in the NBA since Second Spectrum began tracking in 2013-14. At the rim, opponents shot just 41.8%.
    • Steals and Blocks: Averaged 1.0 steals and 1.0 blocks per game, contributing to his reputation as a versatile defender capable of guarding all five positions.
    • Defensive Rebounds: Led the NBA with 11.5 defensive rebounds per game, highlighted by nine games with 15+ defensive rebounds.
    • Team Defense: The Bucks led the league with a defensive rating of 101.3 and allowed an NBA-low 41.3% field goal percentage. Giannis’ on-court presence reduced points allowed by eight per 100 possessions compared to when he was off the court.

    This season cemented Giannis as a “free safety” defender, disrupting plays with his length and mobility, excelling in rim protection, and anchoring the NBA’s best defense.

    The Decline: Evidence from 2020-25

    Since 2020, several metrics and qualitative factors suggest Giannis’ defensive performance has slipped. Below, we analyze key indicators across the 2020-21 to 2024-25 seasons, drawing from Basketball-Reference, ESPN, NBA.com, and other sources like Reddit discussions and Basketball Index.

    1. Defensive Rating (DRtg)

    Giannis’ DRtg has worsened significantly since 2019-20:

    • 2019-20: 96.5 (league-leading)
    • 2020-21: 104.1
    • 2021-22: 106.8
    • 2022-23: 109.4
    • 2023-24: 110.2
    • 2024-25: 110.0

    A DRtg increase from 96.5 to 110 indicates that the Bucks allow 13.5 more points per 100 possessions with Giannis on the court compared to his DPOY year. Giannis’ individual DRtg decline is notable. The chart here on the right shows that this decline is also pronounced in the playoffs.

    2. Defensive Box Plus/Minus (DBPM)

    DBPM reflects a player’s defensive contribution relative to the league average:

    • 2019-20: 3.2 (league-leading)
    • 2020-21: 2.8
    • 2021-22: 2.4
    • 2022-23: 2.1
    • 2023-24: 1.9

    The consistent downward trend in DBPM shows Giannis’ defensive impact is no longer elite.

    3. Opponent Field Goal Percentage (Opp FG%)

    Giannis’ ability to contest shots has also declined:

    • 2019-20: 36.3% overall, 41.8% at the rim (best in the NBA)
    • 2024-25: 42.4% overall

    This suggests Giannis is not as effective particularly in rim protection and one-on-one match ups. His mind is too focused on getting his stat padding done, points, assists, rebounds are all he cares about because that is what most of you talk about.

    4. Steals

    Traditional hustle stats provide insight into defensive activity:

    • 2020-21: 1.2 steals
    • 2021-22: 1.1 steals
    • 2022-23: 0.8 steals
    • 2023-24: 1.1 steals
    • 2024-25: 0.9 steals

    Steals have trended slightly downward (from 1.2 to 0.9) indicating reduced perimeter disruption.

    5. All-Defensive Team Selections

    Giannis was a lock for All-Defensive First Team from 2019 to 2021. However:

    • 2022-23: All-Defensive Second Team
    • 2023-24: All-Defensive Second Team
    • 2024-25: Not selected for either All-Defensive Team, with players like Dyson Daniels and Evan Mobley taking precedence.

    This drop from perennial First Team to no selection in 2024-25 reflects a decline in perceived defensive impact among voters.

    So yes, he is worse at everything

    The data paints a clear picture: Giannis Antetokounmpo’s defensive performance has declined steadily since his 2020 DPOY season. His DRtg has risen from 96.5 to 110, DBPM has dropped from 3.2 to 1.9, and Opp FG% has increased from 36.3% to 42.4%. The absence of All-Defensive Team honours in 2024-25, combined with a slight dip in steals and a team defensive decline, supports the argument that his defence has slipped. And don’t even start talking about his rebounding numbers! Those are mainly stat padding easy defensive ones because everyone clears out of the paint for Giannis to get his numbers. Most importantly Giannis is damaging his team’s defensive efforts by a constant effort to stat pad and get highlight blocks, thus disrupting any advanced defensive plan they had going.

    To be clear, Giannis is worse at almost everything as explained in this post. I looked at this past season in particular recently here. At a glance he played less

    minutes, attempted more shots, missed more shots, made less 3point shots, made less free throws and less steals.

    He also had worse defensive rating, less offensive rebounds, worse efg% and ts% all dropped, despite the fact that he went to the rim more than ever! Quite amazing a feat to fail like that on both ends!

    Sources: Basketball-Reference, NBA.com, ESPN, Reddit, Basketball Index

  • How much better or worse is Giannis than other seasons?

    How much better or worse is Giannis than other seasons?

    I started looking at team stats and – predictably – in red circles the best of the league are the ones you expect more or less:

    But then it gets interesting when you select to see stats only in games they lose:

    The Bucks are the worse in assist ratio and defensive rebound share. This is something I have been shouting about all along. Giannis’ fans cherry pick averages. But he is much much worse when they lose:

    His field goal percentage drops dramatically, he shoots more 3s weirdly, his free throw percentage drops as do his assists and blocks. This is a player with no bag. No options. No ability to change his games when his team needs him to. One trick pony, run and dunk. And when that doesn’t work, well Bucks are gonners.

    Above his career stats, in red his best years. It is pretty clear that 2019-2020 was the pinnacle. Giannis has been going downhill ever since. But it is more nuanced of course because he still stat pads what he sees, ie points/rebounds/assists.

    Advanced stats paint the picture even better. The only thing Giannis does ‘better’ is stat pad those defensive rebounds! You know the ones, he just waits for the ball as everyone else has cleared out of the paint after a missed shot.

    Misc split stats? Same picture. Only personal fouls drawn got ‘better’ in 2022-2023 but you can’t really say that because he then misses the free throws. So in effect they are often a wasted offence and they damn sure stop the flow of the game for everyone!

    2019-2020 Season: The Pinnacle

    Not only his best ever but also the high-water mark from which his performance has steadily declined in nearly every facet of the game.

    He won the Defensive Player of the Year award, anchoring a Bucks defense that allowed just 101.6 points per 100 possessions with him on the floor. His versatility—guarding point guards one possession and rim-protecting the next—made him the league’s most impactful defender. That season, he also claimed his second consecutive MVP award, joining an elite group of players to achieve that feat. Even his free-throw shooting (63.3%)—a perennial weakness—was better than it would be in subsequent years.

    The Decline: Where It’s Gone Downhill

    Since that peak, Giannis’s performance has trended downward in several key areas, despite the narrative of his continued greatness buoyed by the Bucks’ 2021 championship. Let’s break it down.

    1. Scoring Efficiency and Volume
      In 2020-2021, his scoring dipped to 28.1 points per game on 56.9% shooting, still elite but a slight step back. By 2022-2023, he was at 31.1 points per game, but his field goal percentage dropped to 55.3%, and his free-throw shooting cratered to 64.5%. In the 2023-2024 season, he averaged 30.4 points on 61.1% shooting—an outlier year driven by an unsustainable spike in close-range efficiency—but his free-throw percentage plummeted to 65.7%. This season (2024-2025, as of March 20, 2025), early indications suggest he’s hovering around 30 points per game, but his efficiency is normalizing downward again. The trend? He’s relying more on volume than the effortless dominance of 2019-2020.
    2. Playmaking
      Giannis’s assist numbers peaked at 5.8 in 2022-2023, but his turnovers have crept up too—from 3.1 per game in 2019-2020 to 3.9 in 2023-2024. Defences have adjusted, doubling him more aggressively and forcing him to pass out of pressure. While he’s adapted, he’s not the same decisive playmaker he was when he could single-handedly collapse a defence and find open teammates with ease.
    3. Defence
      The most glaring decline has been on the defensive end. Since winning DPOY in 2020, Giannis hasn’t sniffed that level of impact. In 2023-2024, the Bucks’ defensive rating with him on the court was 112.8—solid, but a far cry from the stingy 101.6 of 2019-2020. Injuries, increased offensive load, and a less cohesive team defense have all played a role, but Giannis no longer strikes fear into opponents as a roaming disruptor. He’s still good, but not generational.
    4. Free-Throw Woes
      Giannis’s free-throw shooting has become a running joke. After hitting 63.3% in 2019-2020, it’s gotten worse almost every year: 68.5% in 2020-2021 (a fluke), 63.3% in 2021-2022, 64.5% in 2022-2023, and a dismal 65.7% in 2023-2024. Teams exploit this in close games, and it’s a glaring regression from even his modest 2019-2020 mark.
    5. Postseason Struggles
      The 2021 championship masks some of Giannis’s postseason decline. In 2019-2020, the Bucks were upset by the Miami Heat in the bubble, but Giannis was still a terror (albeit limited by injury). Since then, his playoff performances have been inconsistent—heroic in 2021 (35.2 points per game in the Finals), but underwhelming in 2023 (23.3 points on 49.2% shooting against Miami) and 2024 (hampered by injury again). He’s not elevating his game the way he once promised to.

    Why the Decline?

    Several factors explain this slide. First, wear and tear: Giannis has logged heavy minutes over the years, and injuries (knee, ankle, back) have piled up. Second, the league has adapted—teams now wall off the paint and dare him to shoot, exposing his lack of a reliable jumper. Very often a single defender can neutralise him. Third, the Bucks’ supporting cast and coaching have fluctuated, and since Giannis can’t adapt he has to wait for them to figure how to cover for his many weaknesses on the court. Finally, at 30 years old (as of December 2024), he’s no longer the ascendant freak of nature he was at 25. But mainly he seems to lack the basketball IQ on the court and the plain normal IQ to learn some new skills.

    The chart above charts what he actually did instead of getting better. He focused on stat padding and damned be his team! Again notice the red circles (his best years ever in each stat) are firmly in the past.

    Usage split stats from nba.com really paint the picture of his constant decline. This is not on the team, this is not just one or two games. Giannis sees these stats and simply will not or cannot improve.

    Giannis Antetokounmpo’s 2019-2020 season was a perfect storm of youth, athleticism, and team synergy that made him the best player in the world. Since then he’s not an unstoppable force. Not when it counts. His efficiency, defensive impact, and overall dominance have waned, even as he’s added a championship to his resume. The Greek Freak’s peak came early and all available evidence suggests he’s been on a slow decline ever since.

    For Bucks fans, the hope is he can recapture that magic—but for now, 2019-2020 stands as his crowning achievement.

  • Giannis is no DPOY, not even close

    Giannis is no DPOY, not even close

    It is not just the stats. It is the lack of basketball IQ that is showing as the league moves ahead with young, able players that show him up more and more. Giannis’ fans confuse the way he plays in the regular season with real NBA basketball. Because he is so willing to play hard a lot of teams let him roam freely rather than get injured. But when it counts? Here are some of his many many weaknesses in defence.

    Giannis often suffers guarding forwards and bigs, but his size and foot speed can be an even bigger liability against smaller, faster guards. Players who excel at creating space—like Steph Curry or Trae Young—can sometimes pull him out to the three-point line and exploit his less agile lateral movement. One area where this might stand out is in pick-and-roll defense. Giannis often plays as a roaming help defender or rim protector, using his length to disrupt plays. However, when teams force him to switch onto quicker guards or navigate screens, his lack lateral agility is tested. He’s not as nimble as smaller defenders, so shifty players like Kyrie Irving can occasionally exploit that initial hesitation before he recalibrates. It’s less about a lack of effort or skill and more about his 6’11” frame needing a beat to shift gears against certain matchups.

    Giannis thinks he is a phenomenal help defender, often swooping in for blocks. However, this aggression can lead him to overcommit, leaving his man open if the pass gets kicked out. Teams with good ball movement, like the Warriors or Celtics, can punish this by swinging the ball to shooters when he collapses into the paint. He has a tendency to gamble for blocks or steals. Giannis loves to hunt highlight-reel plays, which can leave him out of position if he misreads the offense. For instance, if he bites on a pump fake or overcommits to help, the defense behind him has to scramble, and it might look like he’s slow to recover. Stats-wise, the Bucks’ defensive rating with him on the floor (around 108-110 in recent seasons) may still look OK, but those moments of adjustment can stick out in a game. He has an over-Reliance on Help Defense.

    He is also terrible at screen navigation: In pick-and-roll-heavy schemes, Giannis can struggle to fight through or around screens efficiently. (And we all know he can’t set a screen to save his life, one of the worse in the league at it.) His length helps him recover, but crafty offenses can use multiple screens to force him into awkward positions, either isolating him on an island or pulling him away from the rim where he’s most dominant. And he is slow to understand what is going on which in clutch situations is often fatal for his team.

    His physicality is a strength, but it can backfire with foul trouble. Giannis sometimes picks up cheap fouls contesting shots or battling in the post—averaging around 3 fouls per game. Against savvy vets like Joel Embiid or Nikola Jokić, who draw contact, he can get stuck on the bench, weakening the Bucks’ defense.

    While he’s OK at reading passing lanes (around 1 steal per game), Giannis can occasionally lose track of cutters or shooters when he’s not directly engaged with the ball handler. Teams that run complex off-ball actions—like the Heat with their motion offense—can exploit this if he’s not locked in. Positioning on Off-Ball Plays is definitely a weakness for Giannis.

    The Bucks’ scheme often masks these flaws by pairing him with guys like Jrue Holiday (now gone) or Brook Lopez, who clean up perimeter and paint mistakes. But it can only go so far and for sure teams discussing trades are concerned about these weaknesses. Combined with his inability in clutch situations, Giannis is more of a regular season try hard player than anything else.

    What should really worry the Bucks is the fact that Giannis doesn’t seem able to improve. Like his free throws (worse ever in his career so far) and his 3point shooting (worse in NBA history). Instead they make a fuss about a mid range which is a myth as it disappears when the pressure is on. I’m not the only one seeing these facts and stats. The whole league knows his limitations and plays accordingly when it counts.

  • Giannis no longer defends and is no MVP for sure

    Giannis no longer defends and is no MVP for sure

    Looking at his defensive rating it is clear that Giannis has given up trying in defence since he won DPOY. Every year he gets worse. (Lower is better for defensive rating.)

    Other than racking up the easy defensive rebounds when nobody else is around….nada. It becomes clear when we look at any defensive metric which is multi factorial, for example the top 10 this season in Stable Rebounds/75 1. Kevon Looney 2. Isaiah Hartenstein 3. Steven Adams 4. Jonas Valanciunas 5. Andre Drummond 6. Ivica Zubac 7. Karl-Anthony Towns 8. Domantas Sabonis 9. Donovan Clingan 10. Walker Kessler.

    Up there on the top right are the kings of defence. Rim protectors who also score well in D-Lebron (an all inclusive defence metric.) Giannis is nowhere, less steals, less blocks, less offensive rebounds, less everything. Here are the top in defensive rating this season, a good mix of various positions:

    The Top 10 in Post Defense as per basketball index:

    1. Domantas Sabonis
    2. Jakob Poeltl
    3. Wendell Carter Jr.
    4. Nikola Vucevic
    5. Deandre Ayton
    6. Georges Niang
    7. Jusuf Nurkic
    8. Clint Capela
    9. Trayce Jackson-Davis
    10. Victor Wembanyama

    And here is rim protection in the effective defensive percentage in relation to rim contests. Giannis has stopped almost everything in order to stat pad this season.

    Next time some idiot starts shouting “MVP” when Giannis does something cool, maybe rethink it. He is now missing so many games he is out of that competition for this season and probably out of the scoring lead too.

    DATA SOURCES NBA.COM STATMUSE.COM BBALLINDEX