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  • The Rebounding Illusion: Giannis Antetokounmpo the Bucks Worse on the Boards

    The Rebounding Illusion: Giannis Antetokounmpo the Bucks Worse on the Boards

    In NBA analytics, some stats cut through the hype and reveal uncomfortable truths. The “BEAST ON THE BOARDS” chart illustrates how star big men’s presence impacts their team’s rebound percentages. Players like Steven Adams (+19.1 OREB%, +18.5 TREB%) and Nikola Jokic (+3.1, +6.2) boost their squads, living up to their reputations as rebounding forces. But then there’s Giannis Antetokounmpo, with negative differentials: -3.1 OREB% and -0.2 TREB%. This isn’t a glitch—it’s a pattern that questions the “Greek Freak’s” true impact.

    Giannis posts gaudy individual numbers, averaging double-digit rebounds most seasons, but the team’s rebounding suffers when he’s on the floor. Why? It’s not just about team dynamics; it’s tied to Giannis’ evolving priorities, defensive shortcomings, and a focus on personal stats over team success. Since his 2019-20 Defensive Player of the Year (DPOY) award, his defence has declined, he’s emphasised offence, chased highlights, and padded rebounds—often at the expense of cohesive play. Let’s break it down with data and context.

    Understanding On-Off Rebound Percentages

    Before we dissect Giannis’ case, let’s clarify the stat. Rebound percentage measures the share of available rebounds a team (or player) secures while on the court. It’s more insightful than raw rebounds because it accounts for pace and opportunities—after all, a fast-paced game might have more misses, but the percentage normalizes that.

    • OREB%: The percentage of a team’s own missed shots that they rebound (offensive rebounds / (offensive rebounds + opponent’s defensive rebounds)).
    • TREB%: The overall rebound percentage, combining offensive and defensive boards.

    The “on-off differential” compares the team’s performance in these metrics when a player is on the court versus off. A positive number means the team rebounds better with the player playing; a negative means they rebound better without them.

    Data from sites like Cleaning the Glass shows this isn’t a one-off fluke for Giannis. In the 2021-22 season (which aligns closely with the chart’s numbers, showing -2.8 OREB% on-off), and other years like 2018-19 (-1.2%) and 2020-21 (-1.9%), Giannis posted negative differentials. Yet, in more recent seasons like 2023-24 (+2.6 OREB%) and 2024-25 (+1.8%), it’s flipped positive. So, what’s going on?

    Giannis’ Individual Stats: Impressive, But Inflated?

    Giannis ranks among the league’s top rebounders, but scrutiny reveals issues:

    SeasonRebounds Per Game (RPG)Total Rebound % (TRB%)Defensive Rating (DRtg)Defensive BPM (DBPM)
    2019-2013.621.4%974.1
    2020-2111.018.5%1072.8
    2021-2211.619.2%1063.5
    2022-2311.819.8%1082.7
    2023-2411.518.8%1122.4
    2024-2511.919.5%1092.5

    (Source: Basketball-Reference)

    His RPG and TRB% are solid, but notice the defensive metrics. Post-DPOY (where he posted a league-best 97 DRtg), his DRtg has worsened to 107-112, indicating more points allowed per 100 possessions. DBPM, measuring defensive impact, dropped from 4.1 to as low as 2.4. This decline correlates with negative rebound diffs, as poor defence leads to more opponent makes—and fewer rebound chances.

    The Shift: From Defensive Anchor to Offensive Focus

    Giannis won DPOY in 2019-20 as a versatile defender, using his 7-foot wingspan for help defence and rim protection. But since then, his effort has waned. Analysts note he’s prioritised offence over grinding on D. Bucks’ schemes rely on him as a free safety, but he often chases “highlight reel” plays—spectacular blocks or steals—instead of sticking to plans.

    This individualism disrupts team rebounding. Teammates “clear out” on misses, letting Giannis grab easy defensive boards to pad stats, rather than contesting collectively. A notorious 2023 incident saw him intentionally miss a shot for his own rebound to secure a triple-double, later rescinded by the NBA amid “stat-padding” backlash. Fans and media called it “shameless,” highlighting a pattern where personal milestones trump team efficiency.

    Defensive Shortcomings: Speed, Switching, and Fundamentals

    Giannis’ late start in basketball—he didn’t play organised ball until age 13 in Greece—shows in his reflexes and scheme comprehension. Unlike peers who honed instincts young, he struggles with complex switches in modern pick-and-roll defences. He’s not fast enough laterally to guard perimeter threats, often getting blown by or mispositioned. This leads to breakdowns: Opponents exploit gaps, leading to more makes and fewer Bucks rebounds.

    In high-pace lineups with Giannis, the team leaks out for transitions, but his defensive lapses mean more opponent scores—reducing OREB% opportunities. Bench units, without him, play more structured, grabbing boards at higher rates. Social media discussions echo this: “Giannis was only ever a helpside defender… not much of a rim protector.” His blocks (around 1-1.5/game post-DPOY) are flashy but don’t anchor like Gobert’s.

    Lineup and Opponent Factors: Excuses or Reality?

    Sure, roster changes matter—Brook Lopez’s injuries forced adjustments, and backups like Bobby Portis (16.5% TRB% in 2021-22) feast in non-Giannis minutes. But this masks Giannis’ issues. He faces starters, but his declining DBPM suggests he’s not elevating the unit. Bucks’ overall TREB% (50-52%) is average, but negatives persist because Giannis’ style—offence-first, stat-chasing—trades team rebounding for personal glory.

    He’s in his prime physically but coasting defensively.

    Time for Accountability

    Giannis’ negative on-off rebound diffs aren’t a paradox—they’re a symptom of prioritising offence, highlights, and stats over defence and team play. His late basketball start hampers reflexes in schemes, and rebound “padding” inflates numbers while hurting the Bucks. Milwaukee won in 2021 despite this, but as defences evolve, Giannis must recommit defensively. In 2025-26, under Doc Rivers, watch if he adapts—or if the illusion crumbles further.

  • Giannis doesn’t really do offensive rebounds anymore

    Giannis doesn’t really do offensive rebounds anymore

    So while having a great argument on Twitter, somebody threw this at me. It looks weird but I know Statmuse AI technology is not great at understanding all questions so I dug a bit deeper. First thought was maybe the “power forward” confused StatMuse. So I tried the same search only for “forward” and got a similar result. Straight to Nba.com website to check and be more specific.

    As I suspected, it’s not even close. Giannis isn’t even on the first page of results. Giannis actually has 141 offensive rebounds this season. When asked correctly, StatMuse also shows you this:

    The Peak of Giannis’ Offensive Rebounding Prowess

    To understand the decline, we first need to revisit the peak. In his early years, Giannis was a rebounding machine on both ends of the floor. His offensive rebounding numbers hit their zenith during the 2018-19 and 2019-20 seasons, where he averaged 2.2 and 2.8 offensive rebounds per game (ORPG), respectively. These figures might not seem astronomical compared to traditional big men like Andre Drummond or Clint Capela, but for a player who often operated as a ball-handling forward, they were remarkable. Giannis’ ability to snatch offensive boards stemmed from his quickness off the floor, his uncanny knack for timing, and his sheer determination to outmuscle opponents.

    Those offensive rebounds translated into easy putbacks, kick-outs to shooters, or trips to the free-throw line—crucial elements of the Bucks’ offense during their rise to contention. In the 2020-21 championship season, he still averaged a solid 1.6 ORPG, contributing to Milwaukee’s gritty, second-chance identity. At his best, Giannis was a one-man wrecking crew, turning misses into momentum.

    The Numbers Tell a Story

    Fast forward to the 2024-25 season, and the stats paint a different picture. Through the early part of this

    season (as of April 5, 2025), Giannis’ offensive rebounding numbers have dipped noticeably. While exact stats fluctuate game to game, he’s hovering around 1.2-1.4 ORPG—a significant drop from his peak years. For context, that’s closer to what you’d expect from a perimeter-oriented forward like Jayson Tatum than a dominant interior presence like Giannis. The table here shows again in contested rebounds, the real ones that count, Giannis is again nowhere to be found.

    This isn’t a one-year blip, either. The decline has been gradual but steady. In 2022-23, he averaged 1.7 ORPG, which slipped to 1.5 in 2023-24. Now, in 2024-25, the trend continues. While his overall rebounding numbers (defensive boards included) remain elite—often exceeding 11 or 12 per game—the offensive side of the glass has become less of a priority. So, what’s driving this shift?

    Evolving Role and Team Dynamics

    One explanation lies in Giannis’ evolving role within the Bucks’ system. Early in his career, he was a Swiss Army knife, doing a bit of everything—driving, posting up, and cleaning up misses. But as the Bucks refined their offence around his playmaking and scoring, his responsibilities shifted. With Damian Lardarius joining the team in 2023, Milwaukee leaned harder into a perimeter-oriented attack. Giannis spends more time initiating the offence, setting screens, or rolling to the rim rather than lurking for offensive rebounds.

    This shift makes sense strategically. Why have your best player battling for boards when you can have him sprinting back in transition or setting up the next play? The Bucks’ coaching staff, under Doc Rivers since 2024, has emphasised pace and spacing. Giannis crashing the offensive glass might disrupt that flow, especially when teammates like Brook Lopez—a traditional centre – can handle rebounding duties.

    Physical Toll and Prioritization

    Offensive rebounding is gruelling—think constant jostling, elbowing, and leaping against bigger bodies. Giannis has logged heavy minutes throughout his career, including deep playoff runs, and his injury history (notably knee and ankle issues) might encourage a more selective approach. Why risk a tweak chasing a rebound when he’s already carrying the offence with 30+ points per game? The media and fans are so focused on the scoring, they don’t care it seems.

    The Lopez Effect

    Brook Lopez deserves a mention here. Since joining the Bucks in 2018, Lopez has been a fixture at center, and his presence alters Giannis’ rebounding opportunities. Lopez, a 7-footer, often stations himself near the rim, gobbling up offensive boards (averaging 1.5-2.0 ORPG in recent seasons). With Lopez in the paint, Giannis can roam the perimeter or attack downhill, but it also means fewer chances to snag those misses himself. The Bucks seem content letting Lopez handle the dirty work while Giannis focuses on higher-value plays.

    Scheme and League Trends

    The NBA itself has evolved, and offensive rebounding isn’t the priority it once was. Teams now value transition defence and three-point shooting over second-chance opportunities. The Bucks, with shooters like Lillard and Middleton, fit this mold. Why crash the glass when you can get back, set up, and launch a three? Giannis’ decline in ORPG mirrors a league-wide trend where bigs are asked to do less rebounding and more switching or spacing.

    Is This a Problem?

    His drop in offensive rebounding reflects a more sustainable approach to his game. He’s just doing it less, with stat padding more of a priority. That said, there’s a flip side. In tight playoff games, second-chance points can be the difference. Giannis’ reduced presence on the offensive glass might limit Milwaukee’s margin for error against physical teams who thrive on extra possessions. If the Bucks falter in crunch time, critics will point to this shift as a weakness.