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  • Why Giannis didn’t top any Eurobasket25 stats

    Why Giannis didn’t top any Eurobasket25 stats

    Giannis Antetokounmpo averaged 32.0 minutes per game across the 7 games he played for Greece in EuroBasket 2025 but in fact only faced one serious opponent, Turkey, where he failed in a most spectacular way. He was extremely lucky and wise to sit out the game vs Nurkic where he would have lost anyway. But let’s look at other EuroBasket 25 stats.

    First of all Greece is still 8th in FIBA power rankings. Turkey went up a lot, Greece didn’t. Why? Because Greece clearly did not deserve a medal! If they had met any of the other teams above them in the rankings in a knock out stage (other perhaps than Spain and Lithuania) they would have lost. They were extremely lucky with the brackets and injuries of opponents.

    Top Scorers (Total Points) Luka Dončić – Slovenia 243

    Players with many less games are at the top of all categories in fact

    Giannis also had 3.7 turnovers per game and as usual was terrible from the free throw line.

    So how did he dominate the conversations? After all just one

    bronze medal after 11 years of trying is a pretty pathetic achievement for someone who says he is one of the best players in the world. Giannis really milked sensationalism. Whether discussing death threats (ludicrous, all famous people get them all the time but don’t make a fuss about it) or acting all emotional upon winning the bronze, Giannis has also been busy enjoying fake news about his charity work. An extremely popular viral “news item” on social media claimed he donated his entire “25 million signing on bonus” which of course is 100% untrue on every level.

    Giannis was also careful to pick when and how he played. He avoided Nurkic, knowing he would be obliterated if he played that game. He

    strategically showed up when he knew he could do his thing only. And the one time he needed to be “the

    best”, against the only decent team Greece faced, Turkey wiped him out completely easily. For those desperate to idolise him it was yet another minor misfortune (as it always is since 2021, every time he faces a more serious opponent) and they quickly focused on the win against Finland instead.

    Now to the NBA, same recipe. He will dominate his personal stats, lose to the better teams and make an early playoff exit. He will indirectly blame his roster as usual and then the summer party of trade talks. It is never Giannis’ fault. After all these years in the NBA and all these years with the Greek national team, no, it’s not his fault. It’s everyone and everything else always, eh?

  • Giannis’ defence is just getting worse EVERY year

    Giannis’ defence is just getting worse EVERY year

    In 2020, he was named the NBA Defensive Player of the Year (DPOY), anchoring the Milwaukee Bucks’ league-leading defence. However, recent discussions among fans and analysts suggest his defensive prowess may have waned. So let’s take it from the start of the downfall:

    The Peak: Giannis’ 2019-20 Defensive Dominance

    In the 2019-20 season, Giannis was a defensive juggernaut, earning the DPOY award and a spot on the All-Defensive First Team. Let’s establish his baseline with key metrics from that season, sourced from Basketball-Reference, NBA.com, and ESPN:

    • Defensive Rating (DRtg): 96.5, the lowest among players with at least 15 minutes per game, per Second Spectrum data.
    • Defensive Box Plus/Minus (DBPM): 3.2, leading the league, indicating an elite defensive impact.
    • Opponent Field Goal Percentage (Opp FG%): Held opponents to 36.3% shooting as the closest defender (minimum 525 attempts), the lowest in the NBA since Second Spectrum began tracking in 2013-14. At the rim, opponents shot just 41.8%.
    • Steals and Blocks: Averaged 1.0 steals and 1.0 blocks per game, contributing to his reputation as a versatile defender capable of guarding all five positions.
    • Defensive Rebounds: Led the NBA with 11.5 defensive rebounds per game, highlighted by nine games with 15+ defensive rebounds.
    • Team Defense: The Bucks led the league with a defensive rating of 101.3 and allowed an NBA-low 41.3% field goal percentage. Giannis’ on-court presence reduced points allowed by eight per 100 possessions compared to when he was off the court.

    This season cemented Giannis as a “free safety” defender, disrupting plays with his length and mobility, excelling in rim protection, and anchoring the NBA’s best defense.

    The Decline: Evidence from 2020-25

    Since 2020, several metrics and qualitative factors suggest Giannis’ defensive performance has slipped. Below, we analyze key indicators across the 2020-21 to 2024-25 seasons, drawing from Basketball-Reference, ESPN, NBA.com, and other sources like Reddit discussions and Basketball Index.

    1. Defensive Rating (DRtg)

    Giannis’ DRtg has worsened significantly since 2019-20:

    • 2019-20: 96.5 (league-leading)
    • 2020-21: 104.1
    • 2021-22: 106.8
    • 2022-23: 109.4
    • 2023-24: 110.2
    • 2024-25: 110.0

    A DRtg increase from 96.5 to 110 indicates that the Bucks allow 13.5 more points per 100 possessions with Giannis on the court compared to his DPOY year. Giannis’ individual DRtg decline is notable. The chart here on the right shows that this decline is also pronounced in the playoffs.

    2. Defensive Box Plus/Minus (DBPM)

    DBPM reflects a player’s defensive contribution relative to the league average:

    • 2019-20: 3.2 (league-leading)
    • 2020-21: 2.8
    • 2021-22: 2.4
    • 2022-23: 2.1
    • 2023-24: 1.9

    The consistent downward trend in DBPM shows Giannis’ defensive impact is no longer elite.

    3. Opponent Field Goal Percentage (Opp FG%)

    Giannis’ ability to contest shots has also declined:

    • 2019-20: 36.3% overall, 41.8% at the rim (best in the NBA)
    • 2024-25: 42.4% overall

    This suggests Giannis is not as effective particularly in rim protection and one-on-one match ups. His mind is too focused on getting his stat padding done, points, assists, rebounds are all he cares about because that is what most of you talk about.

    4. Steals

    Traditional hustle stats provide insight into defensive activity:

    • 2020-21: 1.2 steals
    • 2021-22: 1.1 steals
    • 2022-23: 0.8 steals
    • 2023-24: 1.1 steals
    • 2024-25: 0.9 steals

    Steals have trended slightly downward (from 1.2 to 0.9) indicating reduced perimeter disruption.

    5. All-Defensive Team Selections

    Giannis was a lock for All-Defensive First Team from 2019 to 2021. However:

    • 2022-23: All-Defensive Second Team
    • 2023-24: All-Defensive Second Team
    • 2024-25: Not selected for either All-Defensive Team, with players like Dyson Daniels and Evan Mobley taking precedence.

    This drop from perennial First Team to no selection in 2024-25 reflects a decline in perceived defensive impact among voters.

    So yes, he is worse at everything

    The data paints a clear picture: Giannis Antetokounmpo’s defensive performance has declined steadily since his 2020 DPOY season. His DRtg has risen from 96.5 to 110, DBPM has dropped from 3.2 to 1.9, and Opp FG% has increased from 36.3% to 42.4%. The absence of All-Defensive Team honours in 2024-25, combined with a slight dip in steals and a team defensive decline, supports the argument that his defence has slipped. And don’t even start talking about his rebounding numbers! Those are mainly stat padding easy defensive ones because everyone clears out of the paint for Giannis to get his numbers. Most importantly Giannis is damaging his team’s defensive efforts by a constant effort to stat pad and get highlight blocks, thus disrupting any advanced defensive plan they had going.

    To be clear, Giannis is worse at almost everything as explained in this post. I looked at this past season in particular recently here. At a glance he played less

    minutes, attempted more shots, missed more shots, made less 3point shots, made less free throws and less steals.

    He also had worse defensive rating, less offensive rebounds, worse efg% and ts% all dropped, despite the fact that he went to the rim more than ever! Quite amazing a feat to fail like that on both ends!

    Sources: Basketball-Reference, NBA.com, ESPN, Reddit, Basketball Index

  • Giannis Antetokounmpo’s 2024-25 NBA Season: A Statistical Comparison to Previous Years. No accolades!

    Giannis Antetokounmpo’s 2024-25 NBA Season: A Statistical Comparison to Previous Years. No accolades!

    The 2024-25 regular season saw some statistical declines in specific areas compared to his previous seasons. All statistics are sourced from reputable platforms like Basketball-Reference, ESPN, and NBA.com.

    Overview of Giannis’ 2024-25 Regular Season

    In the 2024-25 regular season, Giannis Antetokounmpo appeared in 67 games for the Milwaukee Bucks.

    Statistical Declines in 2024-25 Compared to Previous Seasons

    1. Points Per Game (PPG)

    2024-25: 30.4 PPG
    Giannis’ scoring output in 2024-25 was impressive but lower than his career-high 31.1 PPG in the 2022-23 season. Comparing to recent seasons:

    2. Free-Throw Attempts and Percentage

    2024-25: 10.8 FTA, 65.8% FT%
    Giannis’ free-throw shooting has long been a point of contention, and 2024-25 saw a decline in both attempts and efficiency:

    • Free-Throw Attempts (FTA):
      • 2023-24: 11.2 FTA2022-23: 12.3 FTA (highest in his career)2021-22: 11.4 FTA2020-21: 10.2 FTA2019-20: 10.0 FTA
      In 2024-25, Giannis averaged 10.8 free-throw attempts per game, lower than the previous three seasons. The league has figured him out.
    • Free-Throw Percentage (FT%):
      • 2023-24: 65.7% (nearly identical to 2024-25)2022-23: 64.5% (1.3% lower)2021-22: 72.2% (6.4% higher)2020-21: 68.5% (2.7% higher)2019-20: 63.3% (2.5% lower)
      His 65.8% FT% in 2024-25 was among his worst since 2019-20, significantly below his 72.2% peak in 2021-22. This regression in free-throw accuracy impacted his overall scoring efficiency, especially in close games and is a massive liability in a lot of situations.

    3. Steals Per Game (SPG)

    2024-25: 0.9 SPG
    Giannis’ defensive impact used to be a hallmark of his game, but his steals average in 2024-25 was a notable low:

    • 2023-24: 1.2 SPG
    • 2022-23: 0.8 SPG (career low, tied with 2021-22)
    • 2021-22: 1.1 SPG
    • 2020-21: 1.2 SPG
    • 2019-20: 1.0 SPG

    The 0.9 SPG in 2024-25 was lower than four of the past five seasons, matching his 2019-20 output but falling short of his 2023-24 and 2020-21 figures. This dip may reflect a strategic shift, with Giannis focusing more on rim protection (1.2 BPG) or conserving energy on a Bucks roster dealing with injuries.

    4. Three-Point Shooting

    2024-25: 0.3 3PM, 25.9% 3P%
    Giannis has never been a prolific three-point shooter, but his 2024-25 numbers were particularly low:

    • Three-Point Makes (3PM):
      • 2023-24: 0.5 3PM
      • 2022-23: 0.7 3PM
      • 2021-22: 1.1 3PM
      • 2020-21: 1.1 3PM
      • 2019-20: 1.4 3PM
      His 0.3 three-pointers made per game in 2024-25 was the lowest since 2018-19 (0.2 3PM).
    • Three-Point Percentage (3P%):
      • 2023-24: 27.4%2022-23: 27.5%2021-22: 29.3%2020-21: 30.3%2019-20: 30.4%
      His 25.9% three-point shooting was the worst since 2017-18 (25.0%). This regression reflects a continued reluctance to shoot from beyond the arc, with only 1.1 three-point attempts per game in 2024-25. It is almost the worse 3pt shooting percentage in NBA history for a single season.

    5. Minutes Per Game (MPG)

    2024-25: 34.2 MPG
    Giannis played fewer minutes per game in 2024-25 than in most recent seasons:

    • 2023-24: 35.2 MPG
    • 2022-23: 34.2 MPG (tied with 2024-25)
    • 2021-22: 36.8 MPG
    • 2020-21: 33.0 MPG
    • 2019-20: 30.4 MPG

    The 34.2 MPG matches his 2022-23 figure but is lower than 2023-24 and 2021-22. This reduction could be due to load management, injuries to teammates like Lillard, or coaching decisions under Doc Rivers.

    Other stats

    1. Offensive Rebounds Per Game (ORPG) 2024-25: 2.7 ORPG

    Giannis’ offensive rebounding, a key component of his ability to generate second-chance points, saw a decline in 2024-25:

    2023-24: 2.9 ORPG 2022-23: 2.2 ORPG 2021-22: 2.0 ORPG 2020-21: 1.6 ORPG 2019-20: 2.1 ORPG His 2.7 offensive rebounds per game in 2024-25 were lower than his 2023-24 mark (2.9 ORPG) but higher than the four preceding seasons. The slight drop from 2023-24 could be due to a shift in role, with Giannis focusing more on playmaking (6.5 APG) or playing alongside other rebounders like Bobby Portis and Kyle Kuzma, reducing his opportunities on the offensive glass.

    2. Defensive Rebounds Per Game (DRPG) 2024-25: 9.2 DRPG

    Giannis’ defensive rebounding, which contributes to his league-leading total rebounds, also dipped slightly:

    2023-24: 9.6 DRPG 2022-23: 9.6 DRPG 2021-22: 9.9 DRPG 2020-21: 9.4 DRPG 2019-20: 11.4 DRPG His 9.2 defensive rebounds per game in 2024-25 were lower than every season since 2019-20. This decline may reflect increased competition for rebounds within the Bucks’ lineup or a strategic emphasis on transitioning quickly to offense rather than securing every defensive board.

    3. Assist-to-Turnover Ratio (AST/TOV) 2024-25: 1.91 AST/TOV (6.5 APG, 3.4 TOV)

    Giannis’ assist-to-turnover ratio in 2024-25 was worse than several prior seasons. He simply screws up more and more:

    2023-24: 1.92 (6.5 APG, 3.4 TOV) 2022-23: 1.44 (5.7 APG, 3.9 TOV) 2021-22: 1.75 (5.8 APG, 3.3 TOV) 2020-21: 2.07 (5.9 APG, 2.8 TOV) 2019-20: 1.61 (5.6 APG, 3.7 TOV) The 2024-25 AST/TOV ratio of 1.91 was slightly worse than 2023-24 (1.92) and significantly lower than 2020-21 (2.07). While Giannis maintained a high assist average (6.5 APG), his turnovers remained consistent at 3.4 per game, suggesting that his increased ball-handling responsibilities didn’t translate to better ball security compared to his peak efficiency in 2020-21.

    4. Player Efficiency Rating (PER) 2024-25: Estimated 28.0 PER

    Player Efficiency Rating (PER) measures a player’s per-minute productivity, normalised to a league average of 15.0. Giannis’ PER in 2024-25 was lower than several prior seasons:

    2023-24: 29.8 2022-23: 29.0 2021-22: 32.1 (career high) 2020-21: 29.2 2019-20: 31.9 His estimated 28.0 PER in 2024-25 (based on Basketball-Reference trends) was lower than four of the past five seasons, with only 2022-23 (29.0) being closer. This dip reflects slight regressions in scoring efficiency, turnovers, and defensive metrics like steals, though he remained among the league’s top performers.

    5. True Shooting Percentage (TS%) 2024-25: 59.8% TS%

    True Shooting Percentage accounts for field goals, three-pointers, and free throws to measure overall shooting efficiency. Giannis’ TS% in 2024-25 was:

    2023-24: 61.3% 2022-23: 60.5% 2021-22: 63.3% 2020-21: 61.7% 2019-20: 61.3% His 59.8% TS% in 2024-25 was the lowest since 2018-19 (59.7%) and worse than all five previous seasons. This decline is largely attributable to his poor free-throw shooting (65.8%) and reduced three-point accuracy (25.9%), which dragged down his overall efficiency despite a solid 55.7% FG%. Seeing as he mainly dunked this season, this drop is very worrying.

    6. Win Shares Per 48 Minutes (WS/48) 2024-25: Estimated 0.220 WS/48

    Win Shares Per 48 Minutes measures a player’s contribution to team wins, normalised per 48 minutes. Giannis’ WS/48 in 2024-25 was:

    2023-24: 0.233 2022-23: 0.208 2021-22: 0.281 2020-21: 0.260 2019-20: 0.279 His estimated 0.220 WS/48 in 2024-25 was lower than four of the past five seasons, surpassing only 2022-23. This drop reflects declines in offensive efficiency (e.g., TS%) and defensive contributions (e.g., steals).

    7. Box Plus/Minus (BPM) 2024-25: Estimated 8.5 BPM

    Box Plus/Minus estimates a player’s contribution to team performance per 100 possessions. Giannis’ BPM in 2024-25 was:

    2023-24: 8.8 2022-23: 8.6 2021-22: 11.8 2020-21: 9.2 2019-20: 11.1 His estimated 8.5 BPM in 2024-25 was lower than four of the past five seasons, with only 2022-23 (8.6) being comparable. This slight decline aligns with reduced efficiency (TS%, PER) and defensive metrics (SPG, DRPG), though he remained a top-tier contributor.

    Yes, Giannis is past his prime and not improving

    Giannis Antetokounmpo’s 2024-25 regular season featured important and meaningful statistical regressions. He posted lower numbers in points (compared to 2022-23), free-throw attempts and percentage, steals, field goal attempts, three-point shooting, and minutes played compared to various prior seasons. As Giannis is past his prime at age 30, these declines signal a meaningful downward trend, yet another reason no teams are beating down the door for trades.

    Sources: Basketball-Reference.com, ESPN.com, NBA.com, RotoWire.com, Proballers.com, LandOfBasketball.com, Yahoo Sports, and posts on X. All stats are accurate as of April 30, 2025.

  • The Myth of Giannis Antetokounmpo’s Mid-Range Shot part 4 : A Closer Look

    The Myth of Giannis Antetokounmpo’s Mid-Range Shot part 4 : A Closer Look

    Over the years, analysts and fans alike have speculated about the evolution of his game, with one narrative gaining traction: Giannis has developed a reliable mid-range shot. This claim, however, is more myth than reality. While Giannis has shown flashes of mid-range competence in certain situations, the idea that he has a consistent, game-changing mid-range jumper—especially in tougher matchups and high-stakes games—doesn’t hold up under scrutiny. 

    The Statistical Mirage, especially in games they lose

    To understand the myth, we first need to look at the numbers. Giannis has indeed increased his mid-range attempts over the years. According to NBA.com stats, in the 2020-21 season (his first MVP year with notable mid-range chatter), he took 2.1 mid-range shots per game, hitting them at a 41.8% clip. Fast forward to the 2023-24 season, and those numbers crept up slightly—2.5 attempts per game at a 43.1% success rate. On the surface, this looks like progress. For a player who once avoided the mid-range entirely, any improvement seems noteworthy.

    However, these stats are misleading without context. Giannis mid-range volume remains a tiny fraction of his overall shot diet. Compare that to true mid-range maestros like Kevin Durant (over 30% of his shots from mid-range in 2023-24) or Chris Paul (a career mid-range savant), and it’s clear Giannis isn’t relying on this shot as a weapon. It just doesn’t add up to points that matter. More importantly, his efficiency drops significantly when facing elite defenses. In the 2023 playoffs, for instance, his mid-range shooting

    plummeted to 36.4% against the Miami Heat, a team that clogged the paint and dared him to shoot. The numbers suggest competence in low-pressure scenarios—like regular-season games against weaker teams—but falter when the stakes rise. That pie chart on the right is his shots in losses. He turns to almost 80% dunking at the rim and forgets other distances.

    Using just official stats from NBA.com here is this season Giannis in the games the Bucks lost. 36.4% of his mid range shots go in.  Last season?  40.3% went in!  So he isn’t improving at all in fact!  If we filter for the harder matchups it gets even worse.  He is only slightly better at 10-14ft, all other distances in the mid range he is shooting worse than last season.   Alley oops, hook shots, finger rolls, layups, even dunk percentages are worse this season. 

    That is this season but look how much better he was last season!

     

    The Eye Test: Form and Function

    Beyond the stats, Giannis’ mid-range shot fails the eye test in tougher match ups. His jumper lacks the fluidity and consistency of players who thrive in that range. His shooting form—marked by a slow release, a slight hitch, and an awkward follow-through—telegraphs his intentions, giving defenders time to contest or recover. Against teams with length and discipline Giannis rarely pulls up confidently from 15 feet. Instead, he reverts to his bread and butter: bulldozing to the rim or kicking out to shooters.

    That table above shows clearly how much worse Giannis is this season in most types of shots. If you don’t believe me go to the source, the official stats and see for yourself. He even misses more dunks this year!

    Watch any high-stakes game, and the pattern emerges. In the 2021 Finals against the Phoenix Suns, Giannis attempted just 12 mid-range shots across six games, making five (41.7%). Most of his damage came at the rim (63.1% shooting on 84 attempts) or at the free-throw line (where he took a whopping 71 attempts). The mid-range was an afterthought, not a game-changer. Similarly, in the 2023 first-round loss to Miami, his mid-range attempts were sporadic and ineffective, often forced late in the shot clock rather than a deliberate part of Milwaukee’s strategy. Elite defenses know this and exploit it, sagging off him to protect the paint and living with the occasional jumper. Better still they keep him away from his favourite spots and he takes the bait, going to his bad side of the paint and missing.

    Why It Doesn’t Matter in Big Games

    The myth of Giannis’ mid-range development persists because it’s an appealing narrative. For a player with his physical gifts, adding a jumper would theoretically make him unstoppable. But in reality, it hasn’t—and doesn’t—materially affect games that matter. 

    1. Defensive Game Plans Don’t Change: Teams like Toronto (2019 ECF) and Miami (2020 and 2023 playoffs) built walls in the paint and begged Giannis to shoot from outside. His mid-range “improvement” hasn’t forced them to adjust. They still prioritize stopping his drives, and he hasn’t punished them enough to rethink that approach.

    2. Playoff Pressure Magnifies Weaknesses: In the regular season, Giannis can feast on weaker teams with poor rim protection, occasionally mixing in a mid-range jumper to keep them honest. But in the playoffs, against top-tier coaching and personnel, his lack of confidence and consistency from that range becomes glaring. He hesitates, overthinks, or abandons the shot entirely.

    3. Giannis is a liability in clutch. I outlined 5 very likely scenarios where Giannis should simply not be on the floor. He is shooting free throws worse than ever in his career. And 3points at a percentage that could be the worse for a season in NBA history. Yet he hasn’t got the basketball IQ to know to avoid them!

    The Narrative vs. Reality

    The idea that Giannis has “developed” a mid-range shot stems from a mix of selective highlights and wishful thinking. A pull-up jumper against the Charlotte Hornets in January gets replayed on SportsCenter, and suddenly he’s “expanding his game.” But those moments are outliers, not the norm. Analysts point to his work with shooting coaches or off season training clips, but the results don’t translate when it counts. The Bucks’ 2021 title run wasn’t fueled by mid-range mastery it was about Khris Middleton’s clutch shooting, Brook spreading the floor , a suffocating defence led by Jrue and a team that was one of the best from 3 that season.

    Contrast Giannis with players like Nikola Jokić or Jayson Tatum, who seamlessly weave mid-range shots into their playoff arsenals. Jokić’s floater and fadeaway are lethal against any defence; Tatum’s pull-up keeps opponents guessing. Giannis lacks that dimension. And in tougher match ups against teams that can match his physicality or scheme him out of the paint it shows.

    A Myth That Misses the Point

    Giannis Antetokounmpo doesn’t have a reliable mid-range shot, and the claim that he’s developed one is a myth propped up by small sample sizes and optimistic storytelling. In games that matter most—playoff battles against elite foes—his mid-range game is non-existent or inconsequential. Defenses don’t respect it, and he doesn’t lean on it.  If anything he is getting worse from mid range when it counts. So just stop regurgitating the myth, it isn’t helping Giannis at all.

  • Sofascore does Giannis Antetokounmpo

    Sofascore does Giannis Antetokounmpo

    Here is the summary and what we can learn from it according to the popular stat site. Firstly that Giannis fans are often more impressed by stats than wins obviously!

    For starters the most common injury report for Giannis is this, “day to day”. The SofaScore summary is pretty constant since it doesn’t measure that much really but it was interesting

    to see Giannis on a low day (according to Sofascore) was against the Wizards. But of course any way you look at his career stats, it is clear that Giannis is way past his prime. 3point scoring lowest ever, free throws falling, plus minus also worse than last season.

    The season shot chart heat map shows what we have written about so many times. Giannis has no “mid range”, he has 3-4 favourite spots from which he scores when playing easy games. His “made” chart is clearly biased

    towards the left side only. And when defences send him to the right he takes the bait, shoots it

    and misses. Pretty big problem come playoff time!

    It is also rather worrying in terms of how the hell he is shooting. OK, he has no 3point (those grey areas) bu he misses worse slap bang in the middle too! And then in the paint from the right and from 3 to the left. A highly unusual chart of a player that started basketball late in life and simply cannot develop shooting technique despite more than a decade in the NBA.

    Sofascore also has the comparison tool, just for anyone crazy enough to still have Giannis in the MVP discussion, it’s not even close. Jokic leads in everything by an enormous margin as Sofascore shows clearly:

    So by all means use Sofascore to check out Giannis stats, but try to keep a grip on reality…